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Is Starbucks your “office”?

Everyday I think all my full-time entrepreneur friends have the BEST life!  In the middle of the day they can stop what they are doing and head out to Starbucks to meet someone to talk business or just to sip coffee and reminisce about life.  Having been a full-time entrepreneur in a past life I realize that sounds a lot more glamorous than it really is.  The truth is, you may get the chance to do that from time to time, and attend networking events during the day, and other things that being trapped by a 9:00-5:00 does not allow, but at 2:00 am when you suddenly jump out of bed because the project you’ve been working on for 4 weeks pops into your head…there is no going back to sleep until you figure that out!

My friend AS is one of those entrepreneurs who gets to do her thing everyday instead of marching to the beat of the corporate drummer.  And the other day (Monday, August 6th to be exact) after she made her way to local Starbucks to meet up with a friend for a little social time she encountered quite the scenario due to some men who decided that on that particular day Starbucks was going to be their “office.”  Upon reading her status update on Facebook I responded with a comment and specifically made mention to blogging about this issue.  Due to other things I decided I wanted to do on Monday and Tuesday night I did not write said blog post and had all intention of doing so today.  Well…let me just say that this behavior at Starbucks must be an epidemic!  Because last night as I lay in bed reading other blogs that I follow regularly I came across a very interesting post from Intuit – they wrote a post titled: 8 Rules of Etiquette for Working in Coffee ShopsRead more here.  Perhaps this is where I should say “great minds think alike.”

Now, without further ado I’d like to share with you AS’s post and all the comments that followed.  I’ve used initials for all those who commented with the exception of my comments which say HEATHER.  Let’s face it – I’m blogging and always speaking my mind so I have no reason not to say which comment it mine, but out of respect for the others who commented I will not post their names.

AS: Just found myself at the center of a Starbuck’s etiquette controversy: I was in a crowded, in-town location that was full of middle-age white guys with laptops using the Starbucks as an office. I was there to meet a friend for coffee and to socialize, the entire point of a Starbucks. We hadn’t been seated for two minutes before a guy turns to us and says, “Ladies, people are trying to work here so you need to lower your voices.” Before either of us can say anything a debate breaks out around us about whether or not Starbucks is “the library,” that ended in name calling. Clearly, people are riled up about proper coffee house behavior. To me, this is a PSA for coworking–there is no expectation of silence at Starbucks.

Oh the comments this status update stirred up!
MF: Geez louise! These guys better get a grip. They’re in a coffee house for chrissakes!  Hey, somebody break out a guitar! 😉
KG: Agreed! You give up your right to privacy ( & quiet) the moment you walk to into Starbucks, the nerve!
JC: I witnessed this same kind of thing at my regular Starbucks one morning. A guy who uses Starbucks as his office was upset because another guy was on his phone. He berated the guy in front of everyone and when it got back to the manager, he was actually the one the that got in trouble. All of the staff told him that what he did was not appropriate. Turns out he had been kicked out of another Starbucks before. I haven’t seen him in a long time!
UH: Are you serious? Starbucks is not your private office…they have appropriate places to conduct business…its just a courtesy on Starbucks part to let people come in with their computers and “work”. I just can’t believe it.
KW: Smh. Wow. The WHOLE Starbucks and other coffee houses as offices has gotten so out of control. It is NOT an office. I have even seen them ask ppl to move so they could plug up!
KY: ‎AS I believe this deserves a tweet to Starbucks Howard Schultz I have NEVER seen a sign at ANY Starbucks (or Caribou or any other coffee house) that required a vow of silence. Sheesh….totally out of line if you ask me!
KTC: You were right. They were wrong. IMHO.  People should work in coffee shops because they like that environment, not because they don’t have their own office space.  Interesting interaction though, thanks for posting.
KY: KTC Think they should rent an office suite somewhere instead of freeloading an office for the price of a coffee? Just sayin’
HEATHER: What is this world coming to? Now, if I’m on a restaurant trying to enjoy a meal I do have a problem with phone conversations (when overly loud) but if you want a quiet workspace go rent one or work from home…or just anywhere but a coffee house. I’m really tired of everyone feeling entitled to EVERYTHING these days!
OH: makes me wish I were there
KY: OH I know… maybe we should schedule a group meeting with a speaker! LOL
HEATHER: I would have said something to the for sure! And then they would have become the subject of my blog (although that may still happen because I’ve been on a rant lately)!
KW: @ OH & KY ~ Count me in for the group meeting! Lol… I will bring a power point and all!
KW: @KY ~ I have seen cases where they do NOT buy anything! And I really think that should b a deal breaker. Smh…
KY: @KW That is even MORE unbelievable!
KY: And yes, PPT is perfect!
KY: @Heather, blogging on this… DEFINITELY!!!
KTC: …@ KY, OH, KW …. maybe a flash mob…
AP: Call me crazy, but when I need it to be “library quiet” I go to the library.
AS: ‎KY I am planning on contacting Starbucks Howard Schultz about this. I’m a huge fan of his book “Onward,” which is all about Starbucks as a place to socialize and connect with community.
VK: There is no such thing to preferred atmosphere or entitlement to that preference whilst in a public space (from planes to coffee houses).
I have been both the social meeter as well as focused worker. When I want quiet but desperately need Internet/lunch I make sure to bring my sound canceling headphones.  This is a huge economical issue from the standpoint of the coffee house owner that sprung up during the recession. Someone buying one cup of coffee and parking in a seat (or two or four) for 8hrs using Internet, electricity and the bathroom.  Some coffee houses have tried to fight the library atmosphere by imposing a limit on the Internet access or in the case of @octane coffee Intown by the cemetery don’t even have plugs available, which has brought the atmosphere back to the traditional setting.
KY: ‎AS Good for you! I’d say your experience was the perfect example of a few hijacking the socializing and connecting atmosphere for the many! You go, girl!
KY: Only wish you’d gotten it on video! (DId you?)
AS: KY No video–I was too stunned to catch it.
KY: Oh well, your description paints enough of a picture! 🙂
PB: Its a coffee house. Neighborhood Socializing. Work at home if you have no office….sorry (I have been on both sides).
RPA: Ah ha! One of the very reasons that I wanted to open The BizLynks Center. There are great coworking locations throughout Atlanta and the surrounding areas. Check us out!
AS: Here’s an irony: I had just come from looking at a shared office space. Had a fight not broken out, I probably would have given him a heads up on coworking nearby.
KW: ‎@Heather ~ Yes, blog about it! What is your blog address?
TS: spill your coffee on the persons keyboard…problem solved
PR: Insanity. No, no silence. Good grief
KRG: Sheesh…would love to see what they do when I bring my 7yo twins in for steamed milk when it gets cold.
EB: Good grief!
CB: Time for a Starbuck revolution??? <smile> That is crazy!
CM: Wow. another reason I can avoid Starbucks.
JS: Wow , Starbuck’s office
RL: I would have LOvED to be there!
PT: I think so many people are out of work and trying to minimize overhead by not having internet access at home. They use Starbucks instead (or Caribbou or Pannera or…..). I am amazed that they are allowed to stay for so long with maybe the purchase of a single coffee. There is one coffee shop that doesn’t allow that to happen. Will be interesting to see how long he lasts.
KW: So who is all in for THE STARBUCKS FLASHMOB that Kristen Colier suggested? Rehersal at my house…Lol
CD: Unbelievable!
KRG: AS, message me which Starbucks. The littles and I are ready for a field trip!

I completely understand the need/want to reduce the cost of overhead especially given today’s economy.  Here’s an idea…find a little space in your own darn home then.  When you enter a public place that was originally created as a meeting place for friends to gather and enjoy some downtime you certainly are stepping across the line when you get mad at people for talking!  That being said, I’m not overly fond of the children who are allowed to release constant blood curdling screams while I’m out to eat.  It’s funny how parents can ignore that type of behavior, but grown men who take over the local Starbucks cannot overlook the fact that people are at Starbucks to relax and meet up with friends!  Maybe someday we will all find a way to get along together – even at the local coffee shop!

Two Wrongs (“rights”) do NOT Make a Right!

If you don’t agree with Chick-fil-a slinging mud won’t help!

If you do agree with Chick-fil-a slinging mud won’t help!

I kind of wish we could make a lot of this stuff in the news just go away.

Today I encountered this on Facebook.  And I actually “liked” the picture from the standpoint that both sides should be able to do what they feel is necessary.  I don’t like it because I don’t believe two wrongs make a right (or two “rights” make a right).

Below are the comments that followed the picture.

Comment 1: Nice. How sad this is. They had better watch out. God will only put up with this for so long.

Comment 2: You are right, Cindy.  What gets me are all the so-called “Christians” who are manipulating Scripture to justify homosexuality, when it clearly speaks out against it.

Comment 3: They will love the business.

Comment 4: I don’t know but my guy tells me that this scheduled event will not go as peaceful as the one yesterday. I foresee huge problems. But I hope I’m wrong.

Comment 5: Supposed to be my GUT. iPhone!! Blah!! Lol!

Comment 6: Ya but there’s no such thing as bad publicity. My Nephew manages one in Charleston and all this has caused their sales to go through the roof. Not that they needed it. They are always busy here

Comment 7: I just don’t understand how the world can not see the only ones stirring up hate is the gay community.

Comment 8 (My Comment): Okay…I’m heterosexual and I’m absolutely appalled by all the comments above. I usually agree with the majority of the posts from Stephen and actually even like this picture he posted. Hate is coming from every angle and it’s disgusting. Tell me the last time you heard a gay person call Christians all kinds of names for living in sin, getting divorced and being hypocritical.  God tells us to love everyone.  None of us are better than anyone else and if you think you are…well then you have just as much to explain when you stand before him as you think they do for their so-called inappropriate behavior and lifestyle. It is not necessarily a lifestyle I completely understand, but I believe God makes NO mistakes and knows each of us before we are ever born!!  There is no one that would EVER choose a lifestyle that would cause them to be constantly belittled, judged, hated, beaten and killed!! I have many friends who are gay and I love each and every one of them and they would NEVER choose this for themselves.  God considers all sin equal – if you think this is a sin then I sincerely hope you have never lied, stolen so much as a quarter from your mother’s purse, looked at anyone with so much as an ounce of lust, cut anyone off in traffic or flipped anyone off.  The only one who is truly righteous is God! We are human…we are not perfect! And remember, it is Christians who are picketing the funerals  of fallen soldiers who have fought for our country…Christians for goodness sake!! What does that say about us?

Comment 9: God makes no mistakes. Agreed! Which proves homosexuality is a choice, and if not, then the lifestyle is.
I CHOOSE a Christian (not perfect by any means) lifestyle, and like other Christians around the world have been belittled, judged, hated, beaten and killed. Just as you have just done in your previous comments.

I won’t be offended by the ignorance of others.  In no way did I belittle or judge anyone – I was simply trying to point out that we all need to be respectful of each other and look in our own backyards before casting stones.  I will stand by this belief until I die – NO ONE CHOOSES A LIFESTYLE THAT WOULD CAUSE THEM TO BE CONSTANTLY RIDICULED AND THE SUBJECT OF HATE.  And I’m going out on a limb here…are you saying that people with MS, Cerebral Palsy, Autism, born with a missing limb made that choice?  Because, you are saying God makes no mistakes (as I’ve also said).  What about people who die of heart attacks who have always eaten healthy and lived a healthy lifestyle?  What about babies who die without experiencing anything in life – no Kindergarten, riding a bicycle, no sleep overs or pool parties.

I am well aware that I have friends on both sides of the fence and it is likely I have offended some of you.  That is not, and never will be, my intention.  My intention is to make people think about their thoughts and actions.  Be compassionate.  Do you hate all Muslims because of what happened on 9/11?  Do you truly, in your heart of hearts, hate all atheists?  You can disagree with a friend and make the statement “let’s agree to disagree” – how come we are not trying that here?

Late breaking Comment 10 (came in as I write this): SO if they are hanging out in the parking lot kissing and not there to spend money….they are loitering.  How stupid.  Why not just show up.  Why do you have to kiss to show love and equality.  I love my husband but we don’t kiss at Chic Fil A to show we love each other.

Yesterday I saw a comment on this being a means of being “politically correct” and how we’ve taken that too far.  I whole heartedly disagree.  This is my thought on the whole PC thing (as commented on a friend’s status yesterday)…And I may have to write a post about this, but to me the whole PC issue doesn’t even come into play in something like this.  Being PC is ensuring that people aren’t calling others nigger, fag, spick and the like.  Being PC is more about sensitivities around being downright disrespectful of others.  Hence the campaign against using the “R” word (retarded) which I have tried very hard to stop using.  To me this CFA issue is just too much. There are so many other things we need to focus on. This actually shouldn’t be news.  Sad that it is…ugh! I could really go back and forth and on and on forever about this, but that just keeps the damn fire burning!

Please understand that I love ALL my friends and family regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, and all the other reasons you could possibly think of.  I do not fault you for who you love or how you believe.  I will have a problem when you lie to me, steal from me or disrespect me.  Otherwise, I love you and all of your YOUness.  And, in my next life I want to be a spoiled dog just like Reba living in a house of people who love me so much I can do no wrong and get everything I want including many, many toys and rides in my carriage and the car and know that I never have to worry about all this stuff going on around me because I’m too busy making my family kiss my little crocked tail. *woof*

New comments came in before I finished.

Comment 11: ^^^ exactly!!

Comment 12: Ouch. I have to agree those things are done in hate. But just because they say they are Christian doesn’t mean they are. Oops some people would say that’s judging and it probably is my bad. Anyways. It’s my belief we are all gods children and I pray for peace solidarity, understanding, and compassion for us all. Oh yes let’s not forget rain!     It will be interesting to see what tomorrow brings. We will see how much Chic Fil A really believes in freedom of speech.  Nothing wrong with a little PDA as long as it doesn’t go overboard and that’s for us all.    Pray for us sinners

I hate your Trash!

I’ve been meaning to post this for a while. I hate trash and when people throw their trash on the ground! Even if it is biodegradable!
Several months ago I was on my way to my car at work so I could head home for the day and this is what I found!

I just want to know why someone can’t wrap this up in a napkin and throw it away when they get home! It’s so disrespectful of the other people around you!

I’m not very PC…

Today PSPants and I went to lunch and had a swell time talking about the holidays and such…

On the way back we got into a bit of a conversation about stuff that is not very PC (hell…it’s not PC at all)! First being this horrible new joke out about John Travolta’s son who just died. So, the joke goes “Did you hear what John Travolta’s son died of?” “No.” “Oh, it was Saturday Night Fever.” HAHA – get it? Okay, I know…that was one more confirmation that I am going straight to hell. But it’s not as bad as the Sarah Palin joke which I will not repeat to mixed company (since some people who I don’t really know might be reading this…).

This conversation lead us to discuss things such as people who are racist. Did you know that when I was growing up Brazil nuts were called Nigger Toes?? Are you kidding me? I remember being at my grandparents house and my grandfather saying “Hand me some of those nigger toes.” I was a kid and I was mortified! “What? We have a bowl full of black people’s toes? Grandma…Say it isn’t so!”

So, on that note the discussion comes up about my cousins who are “mulatto” because my dad’s sister (white) married a black man. This was kind of troublesome a little over 20 years ago for some reason, but I grew up thinking everyone had a black uncle. Don’t you? You know how kids go through the phase of “My daddy is better than your daddy…” and you are in fights with the neighbor kid because you are sure your daddy can beat up their daddy? Well, it was one of those days at my grandma’s house. J (my cousin) was on our side of the fence and the little white girl from next door had a friend over. They were throwing rocks at each other and saying “My daddy is better than your daddy…” My cousin must have run out of things to say because he threw one last rock and said “Well, my daddy’s big and black!” And the girls gasped and ran inside. I guess they couldn’t top that!

Using the word mulatto made PSPants remember that when she grew up they were called high yellow. Not a nice thing to say, but then I don’t know for sure that mulatto is either – I mean, isn’t that a Pepperidge Farm snack with chocolate between two white cookies? Nope…I’m wrong – I just looked up the real meaning of mulatto (see below). One of my non-written goals for 2009 was/is to learn new words…today’s word is mulatto.

The word is MULATTO which means:- mu·lat·to [m láttō, m ltō]n (dated)
1. a taboo term for somebody who has one black and one Caucasian parent
2. a taboo term for somebody who has both black and Caucasian ancestors
3. a term, socially acceptable in the Caribbean Islands and other Latin American regions, for somebody who has one black and one Caucasian parent
4. a term, socially acceptable in the Caribbean Islands and other Latin American regions, for somebody who has both black and Caucasian ancestors.

*Side note…note trying to offend. Just being honest and kids are the worst – they are honest to a fault and most of what I discussed above was based on when we were kids. So take it or leave it…